Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Australian Minister for Climate Change Chris Bowen greet Chief Executive of the Australian Industry Group Innes Willox and Secretary of the Australian Council of Trade Unions Sally McManus. 2022. Lukas Coch/AAP

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Sally McManus on what unions want from Labor and Innes Willox on business wish list for Dutton

we're joined by ACTU secretary Sally McManus and Innes Willox, the head of the Australian Industry Group, one of the peak employer groups to talk about the state of IR laws and the CFMEU.

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